GrandMaster Vic Moore: Defeated Bruce lee(speed test), Chuck Norris, Jim Kelly and all of the national champions.


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132 thoughts on “GrandMaster Vic Moore: Defeated Bruce lee(speed test), Chuck Norris, Jim Kelly and all of the national champions.

        1. I’m good man, I see you have more than one blog. Very cool…I added the first site to my links list a few months ago. I have to put this one up as well

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      1. 1st off none of those punches were even close enough to be block. So thats an atvantage to the puncher (Bruce Lee). What about the punches to the chest that were close enough, that Vic says he blocked?

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        1. My name is James McCune, one of Tadashi Yamashita’s senior Karate students. I was present at the Long Beach internationals (1967?) and personally witnessed this event. Victor Moore tells it like it happened. He did beat Bruce Lee, Bruce did try to throw a face punch (which was way to far away and did not need to be blocked) when they were supposed to be at the chest, and Vic did block the first two attempts. Vic did score when he punched at Bruce. So you hero worshipers that think Bruce was some sort of God need a reality check. If you were not there shut the F up. Victor Moore is one of the few real Karate Masters that earned much more respect and glory than he ever got. A real champion many times over.

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          1. im a martial artist of 35 yrs, from the uk, i have to admit i have never heard of vic moore before, i certainly never heard of anyone claiming to have been faster than bruce lee,
            in the footage it does clearly show bruce moving and bringing his arm back to position before vic moore even moves to defend. however bruces moves are about 12 inches or more away from making any impact. but from what i see and have been told, it wasnt about making contact, the excercise was to see if vic could re act fast enuf to to block a move from bruce, hence reaction timing, and it has to be said it shows that your own legend my friend being vic more isnt anywhere near fast enuf to get his defence up before bruces hands were already at head head,chest and tummy height. please dont get me wrong as mentioned i dont know vic or claim to, maybe he did compete against some big names but it has to be said this vid does not show vic being faster than bruce, it does show bruce being very much quicker than vic.

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            1. Ransome your view of this video is accurate, but from I’ve been told there are parts of this video that were never captured. People are basing their opinion on the small clip that doesn’t accurately show every punch. There is missing footage.

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              1. there r other videos of this speed test on youtube from different angles. 1 of the videoss does jump 7 not show everything, but the others do show everyting & all of them prove that vic moore is not telling the truth. lee was out of punching range & yet was able to penetrate moore’s defenses w/out being touched. he comes to w/in about 6 or so inches from moore each time. but the point of the test was to try to block lee’s punches. moore couldn’t do it in spite of lee being out of range. moore was a great champion, but he taints his image & reputation w/his twisting of the facts.

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                  1. “The video doesn’t show the full event, so your investigation is flawed”. no, but when u consider ALL the videos from different angles, it clearly shows lee penetrating moore’s defense, in spite of lee having a disadvantage of being out of range. moore discredits himself & since this is about race bias in martial arts competition back then, he & others like u, discredit blacks in the martial arts. this is like hilary clinton discrediting herself when she lied about coming in under enemy fire at an airport in bosnia. a video turned up that clearly shows that she was lying. was she that stupid that she thought no one would come up w/the video? same w/moore, especially in this youtube era, where everything on video turns up. moore was clearly a champion, but y does he feel the need to lie & end up tarnishing his image? jim kelly took the high road & admitted that lee was superior in the martial arts. moore should learn some humility. even lee, as cocky as he was, admitted that there were days that he could b beaten, even tho he could probably have beaten anyone, at least back then.

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            2. No offence , I’m a Delta soldier of the US… Although it shouldn’t matter . I’m a Black American… Until a few years back I had never heard of anyone defeating Lee myself , nor had I heard of Vic Moore .. However here we are in a whole new world of , ” http://WWW.FINDTHEFACTUALTRUTHOF.ALLOF.HISTORY.NET.ORG.COMON.NOW.. Did you also know that a black American invented the automobile , was responsible for putting a man on the moon , invented hundreds of products from the peanut etc..etc…etc…. and yes opening a true can of whoopass on my martial arts hero Mr.Kato himself…. Wow…. I spect the “white supremist didn’t expect no shit like dis yeah heah…. huh man ?

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                1. Sorry, but you are misinformed. Grandmaster Moore NEVER beat Bruce Lee in speed. It is impossible since his punch comes from the side of the head and Bruce’s punch comes from the center, a much shorter distance. Ever hear the saying “the shortest distance between two points is a straight line?”?

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                  1. The video doesn’t show the entire event. This is why people have the wrong opinion. I do understand what you’re saying, but there is more to the story.

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              1. Milovan I don’t know how we even teach history with these old books filled with misinformation. It’s full of lies, especially about the civil war, the founding fathers, the American anthem, and loads of other hidden stories about black people that were cut out of history. Not to mention, Egypt and the Bible….all half truths.

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          2. u, vic moore, & hilary clinton have 1 thing in common: all of u seem to have forgotten that videos were recorded of the events that u make claims about. & those videos have proven u wrong. in moore’s & lee’s case, there r about 3 videos from different angles that prove that moore wasn’t able to even touch lee. if anyone is guilty of hero worship, it’s u. moore was a great champion, but he’s tainted his reputation w/his lies.

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          3. They should’ve gotten credit all the blacks. And Bickmore should’ve got his credit where it was due. And of Chuck Norris is he was being by him, then it must be true. I would want to ask Chuck now because maybe what he wrote on the flyer was just tongue-in-cheek. But if he beat him, he beat him. When I’m calling total BS on what he saying about the Bruce Lee issue. Bruce Lee through the punch his hand already went past his face and down to the ground and then Vic swatted at it after he was already finished and back down by his knees. So Vic is clearly line here. And of course he wants to say it when Bruce is not here to defend himself. And of course the punch was a little short because he did not want to actually hit him he just wanted to show him the speed which he accomplished very well. Again Bruce Lee through the punch Then dropped his hand back down by his side before Vic swatted at it.

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            1. The blacks should’ve gotten credit, that was shameful. And Vic Moore should’ve got his credit where it was due. And if Chuck Norris said he was defeated by him, then it must be true. I would want to ask Chuck now because maybe what he wrote on the flyer was just tongue-in-cheek. But if he beat him, he beat him. But I’m calling total BS on what he is saying about the Bruce Lee issue. Bruce Lee threw the punch and his hand already went past his face and down to his side and then Vic swatted at it after he was already finished. So Vic is clearly lying here. And of course he wants to say it when Bruce is not here to defend himself. And of course the punch was a little short because he did not want to actually hit him he just wanted to show him the speed which he accomplished very well. Again Bruce Lee threw the punch Then dropped his hand back down by his side before Vic swatted at it. Vic was a bit embarrassed about it and laughed it off. Vic, I’m sorry people cheated you out of your glory, but now you’re trying to do the same thing to Bruce Lee. Shentel just shameful

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              1. The video doesn’t show the entire speed test but this is what everyone is getting wrong. He only shows it because this is the only footage available of this small moment in time. People took this way out of hand calling him names and putting him down without actually doing the research. This is nothing against you James, I have seen some evil stuff said about this man that was called for. Anyway, thank you for your comment, I totally think it was one of the most fair and understandable responses I’ve seen.

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        1. sorry to disappoint ur delusional ass, but not all of the comments telling the truth (which btw all 3 videos clearly demonstrate), r from whites. some r even from black people. get a grip. moore WAS a great champion who lost this competition. he became a loser when he decided to lie about it. just as bad is that since this is about race, he makes black people look bad w/his lies. he could learn some humility from jim kelly, another great champion who was classy enough to say how great lee was.

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      2. Well to me it looks like bruce was to faraway from his opponent when he swung & yea he did inch up closer & closer toward da end so i diffently wont call this a good punch he was basically hitting air & got closer at da end of da swing .. we need to find the original taping of da whole event, SOMEONE HAS IT

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      3. HE WON THE FIGHT THOUGH. SO DID HE JUDGE CHEAT TOO? DONT PLAY DUMB YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT TIME IT IS.STOP TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF FEEL BETTER. BECAUSE NOBODY IS BUYING IT.

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    1. This is a damn LIE! Vic Moore NEVER beat Bruce Lee! Stop lying you fucking scumbag! Bruce would have destroyed Vic Moore in a minute or less! Where is the proof of this?

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        1. And you are a liar! You have plenty of rights today you idiot! Black lives matter is a TERRORIST GROUP and should be treated as such! They use this as an EXCUSE to pillage and loot and get free stuff, and beat up on white people! These are the most racist people on the planet and should all be in jail!

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        2. Oh, did I insult you, little man?? Too fucking bad, you racist motherf*cker! People like YOU incite riots PURPOSELY and with MALICE so you can cause trouble and loot and pillage, like i said before! AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, THAT IS ILLEGAL, YOU IGNORANT FOOL! You can PEACEFULLY protest, the first amendment covers that, but when you start burning shit and causing panic in the streets, then the police SHOULD be shooting your stupid asses! YOU DESERVE IT BECAUSE YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW! IF YOU DON’T LIKE THAT, THEN I SUGGEST YOU MOVE BACK TO AFRICA AND SEE HOW MUCH FUCKING FREEDOM YOU HAVE THERE, YOU INGRATE! OR MOVE TO THE MIDDLE EAST AND SEE HOW LONG YOU LAST! THAT’S THE PROBLEM TODAY. YOU IDIOTS THINK YOU ARE ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING WHEN YOU ARE NOT! WORK FOR IT, LIKE EVERYONE ELSE! OF COURSE, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO POST THIS, RIGHT?? YOU ARE JUST LIKE FACEBOOK, YOU KNOW THAT? THE FIRST AMENDMENT APPLIES ONLY WHEN IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO HEAR! WHEN IT ISN’T, LIKE THIS COMMENT, YOU DELETE IT AND SILENCE THE MAJORITY!

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          1. Vin, what are you talking about? Lol why are u so angry? It sounds really stupid when you talk about black people as if we are one person. Now that’s dumb. You know white people called Italians niggers too and you couldn’t vote and live in the same town as them. But how soon we forget. You need to learn your history buddy boy.

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    2. BULLSHIT! IT IS ALL A BUNCH OF LIES! IF YOU WATCH THE VIDEO ON YOU TUBE, YOU WILL SEE THAT VIC MOORE COULDN’T CATCH BRUCE LEE ON HIS WORST DAY! YOU CAN SEE THAT BRUCE’S PUNCHES EASILY GET THROUGH, AND VIC MOORE ONLY MAKES CONTACT WHEN BRUCE IS RETRACTING HIS HAND BACK! THAT IS WHY BRUCE IS STANDING FURTHER BACK OR ELSE THAT CLOWN VIC MOORE, WITH HIS CRAPPY KARATE, WOULD HAVE BEEN KNOCKED OUT BY BRUCE’S FIRST PUNCH!

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      1. Vin, you do know that BLM has never hurt any white people and there are just as many white as blacks in these protests. So stop with all the racist talk. You sound like an idiot. You really don’t want me to tell you what I see in your life.

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        1. You have a lot of work to do, first thing I suggest is unplug the internet. Educate yourself and think about all the stupid shit you said on my website. You cry racism, but look what you wrote. Hypocrite.

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    1. Victor Moore was knocked out in 1971 by Joe Lewis.. and neither Joe nor Fast Foot Bill Wallace was defeated by Moore .. I have their records right here before me .. Wallace retired undefeated .. I have to call BS on this article..

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      1. The records that you quoting are PKA records. There were hundreds of matches before that . No real sanctioning body but matches promoted by “The Black Dragon Society” full contact Karate. USKA and AKA. Educate yourself before shooting off your mouth. Additionally…There are several seconds of footage missing from Vic’s match with Bruce. And it wasn’t a fight but a speed punching contest. However, they did do an informal sparring session in a back room with very few people present. Bruce did not want an audience and Vic made Bruce look like a child in comparison. I was there.
        James McCune

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        1. i don’t believe that j lewis knocked out moore cuz for 1 thing, he would have mentioned it. as far as the “missing footage”, it’s all there in at least 2 other videos from another angle. bruce handily penetrated moore’s defense, in spite of the disadvantage of being out of range. i am calling bs on ur claim that lee & moore had an informal sparring session & that moore made him look bad. a little impossible if moore couldn’t even touch lee during the speed match.

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            1. ok, what part is not there? have u seen the other videos? 1 of them is in pretty high definition. there r at least 3 successful punches by lee. in some youtube vids, they even slow it down, clearly showing that lee easily penetrated moore’s defense.

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    2. They show what they want you to see & it’s obvious they want Bruce Lee to appear to be the Greatest. I don’t see any reason why Vic Moore has to fabricate his history they didn’t recognize him then or pay him so I’m sure he’s not going to be compensated now, he’s just using this platform to tell his story, something he didn’t have access to then.

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      1. he was never in any competition against bruce lee. this article is misinformation.. he was in a speed drill with bruce lee..bruce told him where he was gonna strike and how he would strike..moore blocked it. thats it..

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  1. simple thing..it said he beat bruce lee in a speed competition….even jackie chan was faster than bruce lee….it was the power that bruce lee with that speed that made him a beast.

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      1. “I hear ya, I just want his story to be heard wrong or right. This guy is important to American history”

        No one is doubting that he has skills. However, overstating or lying to gain recognition will only diminish whatever good reputation he has. Now, I can’t tell about the other fights, but I know that he never fought Bruce and therefore never “defeated” him.

        As for the speed demo. Anyone doing any form of martial arts knows that you do not actually strike your demo partner (which is NOW an opponent). The purpose of the speed test was about “speed” and not about “hits”… They would’ve used padding if hitting was a part of the demo as real damage could’ve occurred with a simple mistake.

        Better to boost him on his real achievements and not fake ones.

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    1. Static shock I agree with you totally there’s no footage verifying his statements it’s just his word and in the video footage at the tournament it looks to me like Bruce Lee did exactly what he said he would do

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  2. No. Just no. Bruce had already made him MISS and then was in close as if to say “Sorry. TOO SLOW.” HE wasn’t even able to touch Bruce’s attacks. That’s what I saw in this vid. He bent over laughing because he knew he was so drastically out-classed. That’s why he comes back from that moment and bows in respect to Bruce. We can celebrate black-achievement without making things up or exaggerating stories.

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    1. lol, are yoy kidding me. You need to speak to those that was there.

      Bruce lost.

      This happen around 1960 when Bruce was doing the Green Hornest.

      Back then no so-called Black fighter was not getting the credit of their skills back then.

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      1. 1967 Long Beach, Ca. I was there. Bruce approached Robert Trias and asked to borrow one of his students for a demo. Trias asked Vic to go out there. Vic did hit Bruce in the chest,a couple of times but Vic blocked Bruces punches. Bruce cheated by throwing a strike at Vic”s head. way to far away and a cheap shot. Vic bowed out of respect which is our tradition, we always bow to each other in these types of situations, not out of submission.

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        1. u r digging yourself deeper & deeper. the vids in slow motion prove that lee won. u have discredited yourself to the point that i don’t believe u were even there. i bet u weren’t even born when this tournament was held. stop making a fool of yourself.

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            1. ha ha. i was referring to JAMES MCCUNE & his comments. i hate that websites don’t always show who ur responding to. i’ll try to remember to put the addressee’s name 1st.

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            2. @ALPHA, there is something wrong w/this website. it’s placing my comments in places where i wasn’t even commenting on. hopefully this comment i’m making now, will b placed in the right place.

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                1. @ALPHA, now i know my comment went to the right place! i just hope this comment i’m writing will make it to the right place. otherwise, someone’s going to think i’m nuts. worse yet, 1 of my misplaced comments may end up starting a war w/n korea. i hate it when that happens.

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                  1. This site is more than Victor Moore, check out some of the other posts. You may like some of the info. I’m a regular dude, I think some of these people come on here and act way too crazy. It’s not that serious, I’m glad you have a sense of humor and can laugh at this crap

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    2. The slap was so far away it couldnt be block which means it also couldn’t have landed. So the whole convo is bs. Why is there no footage of the blocked punches to the chest and him punching bruce lee in the chest?

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  3. well he always making up BS…. 30 years ago he was showing great respect to Bruce Lee admiring his skill, as soon as he dies it’s “oh I beat Bruce Lee like a rug” then Jim Kelly dies and now it’s “oh I beat Jim Kelly and Bruce at the same time” I mean you have to be a pathetic man to piggyback on someone else’s legacy and accomplishments to me it’s sad and he is on a slow fall to hell….

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    1. I agree with the video but that wasn’t the entire clip. Some of that stuff was not shown. Besides Bruce lee, victor Moore is still a champion, you can’t deny that.

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  4. Bruce never went into Karate Tournaments.He was a street fighter and a student of Ip Man and Wong Sheung Leung.These guys where some of the best street fighters around.Karate has rules,street fighting has no rules.

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  5. Grandmaster Vic Moore, I must offer my apology in asking you if you have ever heard of me, I was presented the Platinum Award at Grandmaster Moses Powell, The Masters and the World Martial arts Hall of Fame, Great Grandmaster I Soto, who promoted me to Soke. Grandmaster Robert Trias, Bruce Jutnick and Sedano were all trained personnelly by the original Kempo teacher and that was the only Japanese Martial artist who taught out First Marine Radars, who taught me, how to use Judo and Jujutsu in WW2 and that was James Matose. I personally started teaching Martial arts back in 1947 in the U.S. Navy. Continued in 1976 in Compton, Ca. Officiated seven Ed Parker Tournaments. both open and traditional tournaments all over our country. Inducted in seven hall of fames, master’s light touch kickboxing champion for five years. Officiated some of the top martial artist and their students and I have never seen Bruce Lee except in movies. Soke DR. Prof. Great Grandmaster Frederick D. Peterson “Big Cat” Peace, LOve and Happiness, Respect.

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  6. I must say im a mixed martial artistbknowing boxing karate and wredting i viewd and watched Grand master Vic with a unbelieving eye but had tobsayvafyer veiwing and kistening tovwhat wSbstated that he did exactly what he stated with witnesses so its simply prednudice that keeps anyone else from seeing the truth.

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  7. Vic Moore is a sameless self promoter who lied about his speed competition against Bruce Lee, he isn’t some undefeated prodigy either. He did win several competitions, yes, but he is not the man these videos claim.

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  8. There have been some that have claimed to have beaten the legendary Bruce Lee but this is not true. A fight and a demonstration are entirely two different things.

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  9. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Little known Black History fact ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Sr. GrandMaster Dr. Victor Moore “The man that fought & beat them ALL”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~ 1st Black National Karate Champion (1965) ~~~~~~~~~~~

    ~~~~~ speaks on his career and racism in the Martial Arts industry. ~~~~~
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ https://youtu.be/7rBy6Op1_c8 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    A few highlights of Vic’s competition record:

    1966
    Defeated the all Hawaiian champion in Richmond Virginia.

    1967
    Defeated Bruce Lee in speed competition at the Ed Parker Long Beach
    International Tournament.

    1968
    Defeated Joe Lewis at the World’s Fair Karate Championships.
    (August 1968 San Antonio Official Karate Mag Feb 1970 Page 24)

    1969
    Defeated Mike Stone in Pasadena California for the light heavyweight championship at the world teams championship.
    (Black Belt Magazine Sept 1990 Page 20)

    1970 Defeated the legendary Bill “Superfoot” Wallace in for the USKA first professional world championship.

    Victor Moore defeated every national champion that was competing during the 60’s and the 70’s. Such greats as Mike Foster, Chuck Norris, Ron Van Clief, Fred Wren, Glenn Keeney, James Hawkes, and Jim Kelly just to name a few.

    Black Belt Magazine (1971) declared him the most dangerous man in America. (in a small caption with no picture)

    *************
    “Some of the promoters would tell you right up front – ‘I know you’ve been winning a lot of tournaments, but you’re not going to win this one because we’re not going to even let you’ – and they wouldn’t because they would cheat, [they] would not call your points, and therefore they made sure that you didn’t win.”

    “I had this one gentleman tell me I can’t even fight for 1st and 2nd [place] I’ll have to fight for 3rd and 4th [place], telling me that just gone make me fight that much harder, I’m going to really kick some tale now.”
    ~Victor Moore~

    Victor Moore points out that just because he beat a champion or a champion beat him, does not take away the credibility of a champion. We are all still champions he will tell you.

    Moore’s entire career has been eclipsed by footage from the 1967 Ed Parker Long Beach invitational tournament. You should be familiar with the film footage, showing Bruce Lee throwing punches at an opponent who wasn’t able to defend.

    Moore, the man who beat them all, was on the receiving end and according to him, not only had Lee cheated during the exchange, he was able to score against Lee during the second half of the speed drill. The latter half of the video has never been shown.

    Due to their exclusion in the media, African American martial artist would start their own schools, organizations, tournaments and television shows. However, this would often fall on deaf ears or fail to have as much impact as the movies that were ubiquitous during this period of time.

    This resulted in a lack of financial compensation, (for African Americans while creating a financial paradigm for others) but more importantly, their contribution in the development of martial arts in America had been diminished.

    Victor Moore has and is still working with instructors and students all over the county and still teaching in North Carolina. Vic’s daughters Vickie and Vonnie have also won in tournaments and still practice with their dad occasionally thirty-five years off and on. Vic has gotten his youngest one started in the arts. His ten year old son Vanceton in the sixth grade can work five katas, work the bow, the sai and the katana full length Japanese sword.

    sources cited:

    http://www.usadojo.com/biographies/vic-moore.htm

    https://storify.com/illmatical/beyond-bruce-lee-the-forgotten-fury

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    1. In the word of the arts I am a nobody, so please take what I am saying with a grain of salt.
      As I watch the video of Bruce Lee striking, the statement that he was going to tap him in the chest, not in the head seems more in the spirit of friendly competition.

      The video clearly shows Bruce striking towards the head from at least 1-2 feet away not close enough to touch, and though Vic missed Bruce still would not have hit him, and if he had hit him in the face I think more of a fight would have broken out than just nervous laughter.

      Just an outside opinion.

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    2. i have no doubt that moore is a champion. the problem is that when u lie, u lose credibility. moore lied about the speed test. it’s just like when hilary clinton lied about landing at an airport, under enemy fire. is she that stupid that she figured no one would show the video? same w/brian williams, the disgraced news anchor. is moore that stupid that he thought no one would show the video, especially on youtube? & from different angles that prove that he is lying? lee easily penetrated his defenses in spite of being out of range. being out of range should have given moore an advantage, but he still couldn’t block lee. the video doesn’t lie

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    1. Moore never said he beat Bruce Lee in a fight, in the video he says he was the only one who could block his strike. That’s not a lie

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  10. Love Vic Moore’s BS story. I’m sorry that you all are believing lies. Vic said Bruce only threw 3 punches. 2 of which he blocked…and the one he missed that surfaces on viral videos, was thrown when he wasn’t ready. The only problem is that there’s video of Bruce throwing 5 punches…ALL clearly different, and Vic Moore didn’t block one. He must not know that video exists, lol. Vic also clearly bowed to Bruce, not the other way around as his ego would like you to believe.

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  11. In the words of Eric, and the martial arts, I am a nobody. However, I think everyone is focusing on the “beating Bruce Lee” statement. I remember when I started Shorin-Ryu under the tutelage of “Big” Ed Daniel in 1968 that Vic Moore was constantly popping up as champion of this tournament, and that, etc. There were several times I heard his name mentioned, and wondered who he was. He didn’t get the coverage or the notoriety of a “Superfoot” Wallace, Joe Lewis, Ed Parker, Dai Wa “David” Moon, etc. I think the bigger picture, with my sincere apologies to all the Bruce Lee fans (of which I am), is that Victor Moore did win tournaments, can say he fought the best, and was a remarkable martial artist. Maybe we should focus on his record and accomplishments. The “I beat Bruce Lee” statement should have been expounded upon by saying, “in a contest of speed”.

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  12. it would have been blocked if he was closer,it seems Vic blocking too close to his own field.anyway nice demo.so please stick with facts,thank you.

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  13. Vic Moore failed to block Lee’s punch during a demonstration. Reportedly he failed to be able to stop Lee from fake punching ( stopping the punch before contact ) 8 TIMES. So I seriously doubt that if he couldn’t do that, he didn’t “beat” Lee. You can clearly see Lee was already pulling his hand back after the strike. Moore even acknowledges this with an “oh wow man” laugh followed by a respectful bow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_2250543623&feature=iv&src_vid=N46Av0M7p6s&v=Wym1TO_cCRM

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